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Jumper wrote:If I may say, thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s exactly what a meaningful debate needs, as opposed to a straight declaration of preferred choice of the alternatives. Cool, measured professional comment, from a source with direct experience.
My own belief: The likes of Cregan, Sutcliff, West et al where there cannot be any doubt, where convincing evidence abounds, and where the victim was deliberately made to suffer before the final murder, there can be no way back. The world is a better place without them, even in prison. Also mass murder by terrorist attack, be it a single operator or group. Still with the first two caveats above.
But there remains a huge grey area that provokes conflict. For instance, murder is murder. No matter the occupation of the victim, they are still murdered. No death is less of a death because of the occupation of the victim. The punishment, whatever it is, should be for the crime - not the perceived Ã¢â‚¬â„¢valueÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ or social importance of the victim.
Chartermark wrote:Good, now opinion is allowed without sententious riposte, the thought of Dale Cregan's death inspires, not reduces me. He's a mad, grenade flinging dog, who needs his neck adjusting. Unfortunately with Ditherer Cameron et al, all that will happen is increased stealth taxes and the elderly retiring at 90 to keep this G4S protected detritus up to speed with their X boxes etc. (providing nice Uncle Jose from Brussels, lets him of course)