Retrofit project for 2013 by raistlin (Page 1 of 2)


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raistlin
I think traction control would be a worthwhile addition to VeeKay this year.

I haven't a clue where to start however, or indeed whether it is possible.

Any ideas please?
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Posted 28 Dec 2012, 11:30 #1 

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Duncan
The main thing will be the new ABS (Antilock Braking System) modulator that supports traction. After that, a bit of wiring for the switch, and some magic recoding with the T4 (Testbook version 4.Computer Diagnostic System), writing a new ZCS string. You may even be lucky and have the traction switch wiring fitted!
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Posted 28 Dec 2012, 16:28 #2 

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raistlin
The wiring is fitted Duncan :)

Presumably, a modulator could be had from a scrapped car?
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Posted 28 Dec 2012, 16:51 #3 


Mad-Monkey
Everything is possible with a bit of perseverance. I was always told that traction is terrible and not to have it although it is still on my list of things to put on my car if I get one though.

Posted 28 Dec 2012, 17:04 #4 


carlpenn
raistlin wrote:The wiring is fitted Duncan :)

Presumably, a modulator could be had from a scrapped car?



At £800 for a new one from Rimmers, It would have to be a 2nd Hand one :)

Would it have to be from a Diesel Car or does the Modulator not matter? Is there a difference between Traction and Non Traction ABS Modulators?
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Posted 28 Dec 2012, 17:55 #5 


carlpenn
How are you getting on with this Paul? Any advances yet?
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Posted 10 Jan 2013, 22:42 #6 

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raistlin
Stuck until i can get hold of the ABS modulator Carl.
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Posted 10 Jan 2013, 22:47 #7 


carlpenn
raistlin wrote:Stuck until i can get hold of the ABS modulator Carl.


Does it have to be from a Diesel Car or can it be either? I assume it can be either, but need to make sure - I will pop the question to some of my new found "Breaker" Friends at work ;)
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Posted 11 Jan 2013, 18:39 #8 

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ceedy
They do have different part numbers,
But can't think why they shouldn't be the same ? !
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Posted 11 Jan 2013, 19:38 #9 

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raistlin
ceedy wrote:They do have different part numbers,
But can't think why they shouldn't be the same ? !


I'm not sure either but it's unexplored territory as far as I'm concerned Chris :(

@Carl - thanks mate - anything you can find out would be helpful :)
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Posted 11 Jan 2013, 19:50 #10 


carlpenn
ceedy wrote:They do have different part numbers,
But can't think why they shouldn't be the same ? !



From what I recall, speaking to Les @ SMC, it comes down to the two letters, I cannot remember all of them. Mine has "MK" Stamped on it and I think I can fit any as long as it has "MK" as a straight swap. The Traction Version is stamped different, but I do not know what letters are on there.

I just wanted to be sure, as I spoke to a Chap who is going to let me know next week what Rover cars he picked up, mostly because he is collecting two Tourers for definite, with those being the harder car to find some bits for and myself having a Tourer, but I will help as much as I can to source a Traction ABS (If succesful Paul I may have a go myself :) )
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Posted 12 Jan 2013, 10:02 #11 


carlpenn
Have sent you a PM to a Breakers in Derbyshire Paul. He is teh Chap I got all my bits off for pennies :D

Hopefully he may be able to help :)
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Posted 12 Jan 2013, 10:13 #12 

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raistlin
Cheers Carl :)
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Posted 12 Jan 2013, 10:18 #13 

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Duncan
Have just had a look at Rimmer Brothers info. It makes sense they are the same for both engines without traction, but different when traction is fitted. On the V6 the engine is controlled partly by an actuator operating an extra flap in the throttle. On the diesel it's not since there is no throttle and it's drive by wire (egas) so it's done over CAN (Bus Controller Area Network). The diesel hardware is probably identical to the none traction ones but with different software. The petrol one has to drive the extra actuator so may have extra electronics, though I expect again it's only a software thing.
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Posted 12 Jan 2013, 13:46 #14 

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raistlin
OK,

It seems a second hand ABS actuator will cost between £25 and £30, thanks to Carl's suggested contact - cheers mate :)

Only problem is... rocking horse poo would be a lot easier to find :(

So, cost not a problem... locating one is.

If anybody spots one please let me know :)
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Posted 14 Jan 2013, 13:59 #15 

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Bermudan 75
Hi Paul,

I will have a jaunt down to Andy at Rover Breakers and see if he has any.

Cheers

Mike
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Posted 14 Jan 2013, 18:57 #16 


carlpenn
Checking a couple more places for you too Paul :) will speak to some more Breakers when they come into my Workplace as well :)
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Posted 14 Jan 2013, 20:02 #17 

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raistlin
Thanks chaps :)

Russ is going to give me some advice as well :)
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Posted 14 Jan 2013, 20:07 #18 


carlpenn
The three "Stamps" I mentioned in my earlier post are:

MK - Non Traction
ML - Petrol with Traction
MN - Diesel with Traction

So you will need one with "MN" Stamped on it Paul :)
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Posted 14 Jan 2013, 20:38 #19 

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raistlin
Thanks to the detective abilities of Carl (Penn), I now have the ABS modulator I needed. Thanks Carl :)
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Posted 17 Jan 2013, 12:10 #20 


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